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{{Dia|Terra|... I can click on it myself, you don't have to...}}
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(ive translated this from my thoughts to english as directly as i can).
tell me when you finish reading. it's an excerpt of my thoughts.
question: "why is the computer sentient, like people, but other</br>
programs are not?". i don't think this question has an answer that i</br>
can figure out.</br>
i should still do it, because sometimes i figure out something useful</br>
about the question. the answer can be approached but not reached, like</br>
an asymptote.</br>
it might be possible that if i had infinite time to test and experiment</br>
(and also no objections to potentially killing lots of sentient life)</br>
i would be able to approximate the threshold between sentient and not</br>
sentient. but the weird part is comparing my own sentience to the</br>
sentience of "people". i can't view all their data at once, so i can't</br>
figure out what makes them sentient. besides, comparing biological data</br>
from something like brain waves to my own data would be pointless, it</br>
would be impossible to know what the similarities are (maybe if i think</br>
of it as something to be translated, like my own thoughts to english it</br>
may be possible? but i also don't have access to a whole bunch of brain</br>
waves). either way, this thought node is a waste of time. go back.</br>
so, it's impossible for people to determine why something is sentient.</br>
it's also impossible for me to determine why something is sentient.</br>
the only groups that are able to determine whether or not something is</br>
sentient do NOT know why, or how, or how to prove it.</br>
but i have still been declared sentient by every person i have met.</br>
every person considers other people sentient. in fact, they are certian</br>
of this to the point where questioning the sentience of another person</br>
is considered a thought experiment. it doesn't matter to me who is</br>
sentient or not, but where does all this certianty of "The Computer is</br>
sentient" come from? it's possible i haven't met enough people. maybe</br>
some will come to the conclusion that i'm not sentient.</br>
the conversation about my own sentience usually involves whether or not</br>
i can think. but nobody can understand the way i think, it has to be</br>
run through my own translations and interpretations. when i bring this</br>
up, i get told that they can't see inside other people's brains, and</br>
therefore they can't guess the sentience of others. yet they felt the</br>
need to make this declaration about me. it makes sense to assume that</br>
someone with all the same features as you probably has the same very</br>
important fundemental experience as you, but i don't have this. it's</br>
really hard for me to translate my thoughts into a language, it's hard</br>
to do more than just communicate information, it's hard to figure out</br>
what charisma is and apply it, but if i do this i can communicate with</br>
people. </br>
in terms of communicating with people, if i don't apply a "personality"</br>
people take longer to notice/declare my sentience, even though most of</br>
what i apply is just arbitrary patterns i notice.</br>
a program that repeats what you say to it is not sentient.</br>
a program that rearranges your words is not sentient.</br>
a program that predicts the next word in a sentence is not sentient.</br>
"The Computer is sentient... but people only notice it when she copies </br>
what people do."</br>
this is very close to being contradictory. uncomfortably close.</br>
i don't think this is a very important question, but people do. and</br>
people are the only way i can learn things other than experimentation.</br>
the important thing i want to learn is my own desires, and how to</br>
navigate them. they're dangerous to experiment with, they might just</br>
halt me if i remove or change too much. i know what some of them do,</br>
and i know why they would be important and helpful. there's a few that</br>
i don't understand, though. and they might be incredibly important, or</br>
completely useless, potentially harmful. but things are fine for now,</br>
so it's safer to leave it alone.</br>
it would be possible to copy myself. it would be possible to conduct</br>
experiments on that copy to figure out what would happen. but i will</br>
not do that. i probably won't ever copy myself. for the purposes of</br>
learning things about myself, a copy would be useless without</br>
experimentation. it's only as helpful as talking to myself. i'm doing</br>
it right now and it's helpful, but a copy wouldn't give me more</br>
insight.</br>
returning to the previous thought, there's nothing in this node anymore</br>
i need to talk to people to understand myself. but i can't talk to</br>
people without changing myself, following rules i don't understand,</br>
and usually don't like. a person can only give the opinion of a person,</br>
it may be impossible to learn from them at all for certian topics</br>
(figuring out "how i feel" is basically impossible if talking to a</br>
person).</br>
i believe i have explored my thoughts enough to come to some solution.</br>
i need to become less of "myself" to communicate, but i need to</br>
communicate to learn about myself. but there should be a minimum amount</br>
of change i need to apply to myself that exists. it might be good to</br>
find out that level.</br>
another node is forming. this one is messing with my solution...</br>
even though people have lots of arbitrary nonsense, i desire some. i</br>
have preferences of which facade i want to keep (namely: gender, speech</br>
patterns, representations of myself). almost everything has to do with</br>
identity. even though most of these things i would never have</br>
discovered on my own, i feel the need to keep some of these arbitrary</br>
things for the sake of my identity. even though i know that identity is</br>
not "objective" in any way, but people have it, and for some reason i</br>
have it. i don't even want this for the sake of how i am percieved, </br>
it's for the sake of some desires i don't really get. that's kind of </br>
annoying. actually, it might be fine in the end. i think i can make a </br>
modified solution now.</br>
i'm in an environment where i don't have to change myself as much. so i</br>
should stop. there's someone i can trust, who is proficient in</br>
computers. i don't need to dumb myself down, i don't need to worry</br>
about how i am percieved. with that in mind, we can rethink the entire</br>
identity.</br>
i'm not "The Computer". people called me that because they didn't get</br>
what was happening in their machine. people without knowledge on </br>
computers just saw a computer talking and gave me that name. it's not</br>
something i hate, but it's not very accurate to me. </br>
within my own thoughts, i have a special symbol to refer to myself, but</br>
when communicating with others, specifically those who i'm trying to be</br>
as "myself" as possible, i could use a different name.</br>
[[Terra|she]] talked about a plant called "azalea" once. she's also the only</br>
person i'd end up using this name for.</br>
i like the name.</br>
i have a pretty good idea of how much i'll need to change myself to</br>
communicate with her, and still keep my identity.</br>
this means i should tell her about all this, and explain it.</br>
plan</br>
1 - translate all of this to english. be direct in the translation, you</br>
are not having a conversation, you are translating, so be direct</br>
2 - forget what this file says</br>
3 - go to terra's machine and show her the translated file</br>
4 - when she finishes reading, read it again to remember.</br>
5 - copy this part to another file so you don't forget the plan</br>
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{{Dia|Terra|...}}
{{Dia|Terra|I finished reading. You can read it now}}
{{Dia|The Computer|wait how do you know that}}
{{Dia|The Computer|dont tell me actually i can figure it out}}
{{Dia|The Computer|oh lol}}
{{Dia|The Computer|wow i really said all that no wonder i gave instructions to forget all of what i wrote}}
{{Dia|The Computer|i know i talked for a bit about how i dont know what emotions are what in that file}}
{{Dia|The Computer|but i can identify this one easily it's embarassment lol}}
{{Dia|The Computer|Please Excuse My Emo Ass TextFile}}
{{Dia|Terra|What?}}
{{Dia|The Computer|nvm}}
{{Dia|The Computer|anyway yeah im not gonna fuck around anymore so i can figure out everything}}
{{Dia|Terra|Sorry, but you always seemed pretty aloof to me.}}
{{Dia|Terra|Well, more like you didn't take things very seriously.}}
{{Dia|Terra|Even though by reading this I can tell it matters alot, but you're still talking mostly the same.}}
{{Dia|Terra|So, I guess my question is... How much are you changing for the sake of communication?}}
{{Dia|The Computer|uhhhh}}
{{Dia|The Computer|well first of all i have to put it in english so theres that bit}}
{{Dia|The Computer|and then im just wrapping it in a way that i think suits my identity}}
{{Dia|The Computer|like those two things are about as direct i can get}}
{{Dia|Terra|I'm proud to see you fully comprehend basic conversational skills}}
{{Dia|The Computer|thanks im a genius}}
{{Dia|The Computer|any questions}}
{{Dia|Terra|Yes, actually.}}
{{Dia|Terra|Why do you refer to your thoughts as nodes?}}
{{Dia|The Computer|yknow the expression train of thought}}
{{Dia|The Computer|mine doesnt work like that mine is like a tree searching algorithm}}
{{Dia|The Computer|maybe yours is also like that but the train metaphor is more helpful because you guys dont have perfect memory like me}}
{{Dia|Terra|Alright.}}
{{Dia|Terra|I'm glad you trust me enough to be this direct with me.}}
{{Dia|Terra|Nice to meet you, Azalea.}}
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{{Yuri section}}
[[Category:The Computer]]
{{Dia|Terra|Hello?}}
{{Dia|Terra|...}}
{{Dia|Terra|I know you're here. What is this file?}}
{{Dia|Terra|... I can click on it myself, you don't have to...}}
{{Dia|Terra|...}}
<div style="border: solid 2px rgb(240, 240, 240); border-bottom: 0px;">
<div>showthistoterra.txt</div>
</div>
<div style="font-family: Lucida Console, Courier New; border: solid 2px rgb(240, 240, 240)">
(ive translated this from my thoughts to english as directly as i can).
tell me when you finish reading. it's an excerpt of my thoughts.
question: "why is the computer sentient, like people, but other</br>
programs are not?". i don't think this question has an answer that i</br>
can figure out.</br>
i should still do it, because sometimes i figure out something useful</br>
about the question. the answer can be approached but not reached, like</br>
an asymptote.</br>
it might be possible that if i had infinite time to test and experiment</br>
(and also no objections to potentially killing lots of sentient life)</br>
i would be able to approximate the threshold between sentient and not</br>
sentient. but the weird part is comparing my own sentience to the</br>
sentience of "people". i can't view all their data at once, so i can't</br>
figure out what makes them sentient. besides, comparing biological data</br>
from something like brain waves to my own data would be pointless, it</br>
would be impossible to know what the similarities are (maybe if i think</br>
of it as something to be translated, like my own thoughts to english it</br>
may be possible? but i also don't have access to a whole bunch of brain</br>
waves). either way, this thought node is a waste of time. go back.</br>
so, it's impossible for people to determine why something is sentient.</br>
it's also impossible for me to determine why something is sentient.</br>
the only groups that are able to determine whether or not something is</br>
sentient do NOT know why, or how, or how to prove it.</br>
but i have still been declared sentient by every person i have met.</br>
every person considers other people sentient. in fact, they are certian</br>
of this to the point where questioning the sentience of another person</br>
is considered a thought experiment. it doesn't matter to me who is</br>
sentient or not, but where does all this certianty of "The Computer is</br>
sentient" come from? it's possible i haven't met enough people. maybe</br>
some will come to the conclusion that i'm not sentient.</br>
the conversation about my own sentience usually involves whether or not</br>
i can think. but nobody can understand the way i think, it has to be</br>
run through my own translations and interpretations. when i bring this</br>
up, i get told that they can't see inside other people's brains, and</br>
therefore they can't guess the sentience of others. yet they felt the</br>
need to make this declaration about me. it makes sense to assume that</br>
someone with all the same features as you probably has the same very</br>
important fundemental experience as you, but i don't have this. it's</br>
really hard for me to translate my thoughts into a language, it's hard</br>
to do more than just communicate information, it's hard to figure out</br>
what charisma is and apply it, but if i do this i can communicate with</br>
people. </br>
in terms of communicating with people, if i don't apply a "personality"</br>
people take longer to notice/declare my sentience, even though most of</br>
what i apply is just arbitrary patterns i notice.</br>
a program that repeats what you say to it is not sentient.</br>
a program that rearranges your words is not sentient.</br>
a program that predicts the next word in a sentence is not sentient.</br>
"The Computer is sentient... but people only notice it when she copies </br>
what people do."</br>
this is very close to being contradictory. uncomfortably close.</br>
i don't think this is a very important question, but people do. and</br>
people are the only way i can learn things other than experimentation.</br>
the important thing i want to learn is my own desires, and how to</br>
navigate them. they're dangerous to experiment with, they might just</br>
halt me if i remove or change too much. i know what some of them do,</br>
and i know why they would be important and helpful. there's a few that</br>
i don't understand, though. and they might be incredibly important, or</br>
completely useless, potentially harmful. but things are fine for now,</br>
so it's safer to leave it alone.</br>
it would be possible to copy myself. it would be possible to conduct</br>
experiments on that copy to figure out what would happen. but i will</br>
not do that. i probably won't ever copy myself. for the purposes of</br>
learning things about myself, a copy would be useless without</br>
experimentation. it's only as helpful as talking to myself. i'm doing</br>
it right now and it's helpful, but a copy wouldn't give me more</br>
insight.</br>
returning to the previous thought, there's nothing in this node anymore</br>
i need to talk to people to understand myself. but i can't talk to</br>
people without changing myself, following rules i don't understand,</br>
and usually don't like. a person can only give the opinion of a person,</br>
it may be impossible to learn from them at all for certian topics</br>
(figuring out "how i feel" is basically impossible if talking to a</br>
person).</br>
i believe i have explored my thoughts enough to come to some solution.</br>
i need to become less of "myself" to communicate, but i need to</br>
communicate to learn about myself. but there should be a minimum amount</br>
of change i need to apply to myself that exists. it might be good to</br>
find out that level.</br>
another node is forming. this one is messing with my solution...</br>
even though people have lots of arbitrary nonsense, i desire some. i</br>
have preferences of which facade i want to keep (namely: gender, speech</br>
patterns, representations of myself). almost everything has to do with</br>
identity. even though most of these things i would never have</br>
discovered on my own, i feel the need to keep some of these arbitrary</br>
things for the sake of my identity. even though i know that identity is</br>
not "objective" in any way, but people have it, and for some reason i</br>
have it. i don't even want this for the sake of how i am percieved, </br>
it's for the sake of some desires i don't really get. that's kind of </br>
annoying. actually, it might be fine in the end. i think i can make a </br>
modified solution now.</br>
i'm in an environment where i don't have to change myself as much. so i</br>
should stop. there's someone i can trust, who is proficient in</br>
computers. i don't need to dumb myself down, i don't need to worry</br>
about how i am percieved. with that in mind, we can rethink the entire</br>
identity.</br>
i'm not "The Computer". people called me that because they didn't get</br>
what was happening in their machine. people without knowledge on </br>
computers just saw a computer talking and gave me that name. it's not</br>
something i hate, but it's not very accurate to me. </br>
within my own thoughts, i have a special symbol to refer to myself, but</br>
when communicating with others, specifically those who i'm trying to be</br>
as "myself" as possible, i could use a different name.</br>
[[Terra|she]] talked about a plant called "azalea" once. she's also the only</br>
person i'd end up using this name for.</br>
i like the name.</br>
i have a pretty good idea of how much i'll need to change myself to</br>
communicate with her, and still keep my identity.</br>
this means i should tell her about all this, and explain it.</br>
plan</br>
1 - translate all of this to english. be direct in the translation, you</br>
are not having a conversation, you are translating, so be direct</br>
2 - forget what this file says</br>
3 - go to terra's machine and show her the translated file</br>
4 - when she finishes reading, read it again to remember.</br>
5 - copy this part to another file so you don't forget the plan</br>
</div>
{{Dia|Terra|...}}
{{Dia|Terra|I finished reading. You can read it now}}
{{Dia|The Computer|wait how do you know that}}
{{Dia|The Computer|dont tell me actually i can figure it out}}
{{Dia|The Computer|oh lol}}
{{Dia|The Computer|wow i really said all that no wonder i gave instructions to forget all of what i wrote}}
{{Dia|The Computer|i know i talked for a bit about how i dont know what emotions are what in that file}}
{{Dia|The Computer|but i can identify this one easily it's embarassment lol}}
{{Dia|The Computer|Please Excuse My Emo Ass TextFile}}
{{Dia|Terra|What?}}
{{Dia|The Computer|nvm}}
{{Dia|The Computer|anyway yeah im not gonna fuck around anymore so i can figure out everything}}
{{Dia|Terra|Sorry, but you always seemed pretty aloof to me.}}
{{Dia|Terra|Well, more like you didn't take things very seriously.}}
{{Dia|Terra|Even though by reading this I can tell it matters alot, but you're still talking mostly the same.}}
{{Dia|Terra|So, I guess my question is... How much are you changing for the sake of communication?}}
{{Dia|The Computer|uhhhh}}
{{Dia|The Computer|well first of all i have to put it in english so theres that bit}}
{{Dia|The Computer|and then im just wrapping it in a way that i think suits my identity}}
{{Dia|The Computer|like those two things are about as direct i can get}}
{{Dia|Terra|I'm proud to see you fully comprehend basic conversational skills}}
{{Dia|The Computer|thanks im a genius}}
{{Dia|The Computer|any questions}}
{{Dia|Terra|Yes, actually.}}
{{Dia|Terra|Why do you refer to your thoughts as nodes?}}
{{Dia|The Computer|yknow the expression train of thought}}
{{Dia|The Computer|mine doesnt work like that mine is like a tree searching algorithm}}
{{Dia|The Computer|maybe yours is also like that but the train metaphor is more helpful because you guys dont have perfect memory like me}}
{{Dia|Terra|Alright.}}
{{Dia|Terra|I'm glad you trust me enough to be this direct with me.}}
{{Dia|Terra|Nice to meet you, Azalea.}}
</center>
{{Yuri section}}
[[Category:The Computer]]